The bulk update request #7585 is active.

Reason: In the discussion in https://e621.net/forum_topics/43680, we are trying to avoid tag bloat and combinatorial explosions. One of the generally-agreed-upon suggestions is to get rid of these "double-double" tags. e621 does not need to be In-N-Out burger, tag combinations like clothed_anthro nude_anthro will work fine in place of clothed_anthro_nude_anthro.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7585 (forum #400857) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7586 is active.

Reason: Part 2

EDIT: The bulk update request #7586 (forum #400858) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7587 is active.

Reason: Part 3

EDIT: The bulk update request #7587 (forum #400859) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7588 is active.

Reason: Part 4

EDIT: The bulk update request #7588 (forum #400860) has failed: Implication for clothed_gynomorph_nude_female not found

EDIT: The bulk update request #7588 (forum #400860) has been approved by @slyroon.

aaronfranke said:
I am proposing to set their category to invalid rather than aliasing them to invalid_tag because I noticed there are many posts which need cleanup, ideally by automated scripts. For example, clothed_anthro_nude_anthro -clothed_anthro needs clothed_anthro added. I am guessing that many users tagged these double-double tags expecting them to automatically implicate their parts.

Absolutely agree with getting rid of these tags but wouldn't it be cleaner to alias them away instead of invalidating? Then there wouldn't be any cleanup needed. How about aliasing to the first half of the pair, so larger_male_smaller_female for example would alias to larger_male? That way typing in larger_male won't suggest smaller_female, like it would if it was aliased the opposite way

wandering_spaniel said:
Absolutely agree with getting rid of these tags but wouldn't it be cleaner to alias them away instead of invalidating? Then there wouldn't be any cleanup needed. How about aliasing to the first half of the pair, so larger_male_smaller_female for example would alias to larger_male? That way typing in larger_male won't suggest smaller_female, like it would if it was aliased the opposite way

That's how I feel. Aliasing clothed_anthro_nude_herm to clothed_anthro, for example, does a better job of getting rid of the tags. Simply changing it to the Invalid category doesn't get rid of the tags, they'll still exist and people can still tag them, needing manual removal, while aliasing to the first part of the tag will get rid of it without unexpected autocomplete results.

Though some of these tags, like clothed_female_nude_female have aliases and implications on them, which will need to be removed to be able to alias them away.

The bulk update request #7590 is active.

Reason: Part 5

EDIT: The bulk update request #7590 (forum #400880) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7591 is active.

Reason: Part 6.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7591 (forum #400881) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7592 is active.

Reason: Part 7.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7592 (forum #400882) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7593 is active.

Reason: Part 8.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7593 (forum #400883) has been approved by @slyroon.

watsit said:
Aliasing clothed_anthro_nude_herm to clothed_anthro, for example

Though some of these tags, like clothed_female_nude_female have aliases and implications on them, which will need to be removed to be able to alias them away.

Done and done. EDIT: Oops, missed a few, now done.

The bulk update request #7594 is active.

Reason: Part 9.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7594 (forum #400888) has failed: Alias for cfnf not found

EDIT: The bulk update request #7594 (forum #400888) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7595 is active.

Reason: Part 10 (must have parts 3-9 done first).

EDIT: The bulk update request #7595 (forum #400889) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7596 is active.

Reason: Part 11 (must have parts 3-9 done first).

EDIT: The bulk update request #7596 (forum #400890) has been approved by @slyroon.

Good lord, it has 11 parts.

cowboyjones said:
Good lord, it has 11 parts.

Yeah, this is what happens when you allow every conceivable form of clothed_<gender>_nude_<gender> (and in some cases clothed_<form>_nude_<form> or a mix of the two combined) to exist without keeping them in check.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Yeah, this is what happens when you allow every conceivable form of clothed_<gender>_nude_<gender> (and in some cases clothed_<form>_nude_<form> or a mix of the two combined) to exist without keeping them in check.

Quite a number of the aliases and implications are from impidinkadoo, and the rest concerning intersex were filled out in topic #27362

aaronfranke said:
Some of these could use cleanup prior to the BUR being applied, ideally by automated scripts. For example, clothed_anthro_nude_anthro -nude_anthro needs nude_anthro added. I am guessing that many users tagged these double-double tags expecting them to automatically implicate their parts.

Never mind, it was only a few hundred posts so I manually cleaned them up. Now every double-double tag has each of their component tags also tagged, and it is safe to apply the BURs now.

Criminy. What ever could have possessed people to add these tags in the first place? Like, I get the utility of tags that describe combinations of attributes on the same character (in my perfect world, there would be a way to search for only posts where {tag1 tag2 tag3} are all attributes of the same character), but surely there are very few edge cases where just searching "nude_male clothed_female" etc won't just get them exactly what they're looking for.

The bulk update request #7585 (forum #400857) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7586 (forum #400858) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7587 (forum #400859) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7588 (forum #400860) has failed: Implication for clothed_gynomorph_nude_female not found

The bulk update request #7588 (forum #400860) has been approved by @slyroon.

I see that @slyroon approved the first 4 parts, but the rest are still here. Did slyroon miss them?

Related: topic #11862 clothed_female_nude_male -> cfnm

Cleanup:

clothed_*_nude* -clothed/nude
nude_*_clothed* -clothed/nude
https://e621.net/tags?search%5Bname_matches%5D=clothed_*_nude*
https://e621.net/tags?search%5Bname_matches%5D=nude_*_clothed*
Stop the insanity? Tagging diets haha.

Is nude/clothed a replacement for the entire class of combination nude+clothed tags, going forward?
Crap there's also partially clothed. Oh right, partially_clothed implies clothed.

The bulk update request #7590 (forum #400880) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7591 (forum #400881) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7592 (forum #400882) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7593 (forum #400883) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7594 (forum #400888) has failed: Alias for cfnf not found

The bulk update request #7594 (forum #400888) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7595 (forum #400889) has been approved by @slyroon.

The bulk update request #7596 (forum #400890) has been approved by @slyroon.

Too late, haha

Looks like most of them are done but going through that list I made, I found some more. I'll get them into a BUR soon as I can compile the shorter list.

*_clothed_gynomorph -partially_clothed_gynomorph/*_clothed_gynomorph -partially_clothed_gynomorph -fully_clothed_gynomorph OK, these one is actually done, as well.

Not quite sure what to make of this, figured some context might be helpful.
Tags like this often exist because of specific kinks. CFNM, for example, is a relatively specific tag that ties into humiliation.

Checking https://e621.net/forum_posts/400883 seems to show that this tag has been consolidated down into, and broken down into, clothed/nude, male, and female.
This doesn't serve the same function as the original tag, as when searching all together, you can get results for CMNF, clothed male nude female, as well.

The component tags should consist of clothed_male and nude_female, not just the genders and clothed/nude.
This effectively invalidates the entire CFNM tag and renders it impossible to search for anything specific to the kink, as searching for clothed_male nude_female yields far fewer results than the cfnm tag did.

cat_heads said:
Not quite sure what to make of this, figured some context might be helpful.
Tags like this often exist because of specific kinks. CFNM, for example, is a relatively specific tag that ties into humiliation.

Checking https://e621.net/forum_posts/400883 seems to show that this tag has been consolidated down into, and broken down into, clothed/nude, male, and female.
This doesn't serve the same function as the original tag, as when searching all together, you can get results for CMNF, clothed male nude female, as well.

The component tags should consist of clothed_male and nude_female, not just the genders and clothed/nude.
This effectively invalidates the entire CFNM tag and renders it impossible to search for anything specific to the kink, as searching for clothed_male nude_female yields far fewer results than the cfnm tag did.

the clothed_x_nude_y tags had really never been used properly. since their inception they were being added to mountains of posts containing a) characters who weren't interacting, b) "nude" characters who weren't fully nude, c) "clothed" characters who were mostly nude, d) some combinations of the above, or e) ferals.

it's better to just have the clothed_* and nude_* tag groups separate and use clothed/nude where applicable.

dba_afish said:
the clothed_x_nude_y tags had really never been used properly. since their inception they were being added to mountains of posts containing a) characters who weren't interacting, b) "nude" characters who weren't fully nude, c) "clothed" characters who were mostly nude, d) some combinations of the above, or e) ferals.

it's better to just have the clothed_* and nude_* tag groups separate and use clothed/nude where applicable.

You know, I can't really disagree with that reasoning. I suppose the only solid course of action is just to tag properly going forward. Still kinda sucks that a ton of images that fit the idea of CFNM and the like were caught into the crossfire, but it can still be replicated with long tag lists in a single search. Better than having the tags be littered with things that didn't fit.

I think I just see something like CFNM as being in a different realm than all of the other combination tags, seeing how it's a specific kink.

cat_heads said:
The component tags should consist of clothed_male and nude_female, not just the genders and clothed/nude.

That is already what is happening. Instead of clothed_male_nude_female you just need to search for clothed_male nude_female, NOT clothed male nude female.

aaronfranke said:
That is already what is happening. Instead of clothed_male_nude_female you just need to search for clothed_male nude_female, NOT clothed male nude female.

But that's not what the tags were replaced with. You can try searching for it yourself, but images previously tagged with clothed_male_nude_female didn't get tagged with clothed_male and nude_female. They got tagged with clothed/nude male and female.

cat_heads said:
But that's not what the tags were replaced with. You can try searching for it yourself, but images previously tagged with clothed_male_nude_female didn't get tagged with clothed_male and nude_female. They got tagged with clothed/nude male and female.

https://i.imgur.com/lzf6krV.png

Sorry, that's not correct. They were tagged correctly. clothed_male_nude_female was aliased to clothed_male. I also manually cleaned them up, such as by adding nude_female to all clothed_male_nude_female posts.

The bulk update request #7970 is pending approval.

create alias nude_maleherm_clothed_male (3) -> nude_maleherm (224)

Reason: Missed one

aaronfranke said:
https://i.imgur.com/lzf6krV.png

Sorry, that's not correct. They were tagged correctly. clothed_male_nude_female was aliased to clothed_male. I also manually cleaned them up, such as by adding nude_female to all clothed_male_nude_female posts.

Ah. If that's the case, it looks like I must have checked in the time they were being manually added.
Seems to fit everything now, sorry for the misunderstanding.